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[NicktMayCry™]

I posted in the private mug topic, explaining myself several times, I then requested that things were done to prevent me from being capable of seeing your reply.


The characters I've submitted aren't even the same as they originally were, Gordon is now some teenager, and Roman is some traiter back stabber person.
I couldn't care less if it was just a face and name change, compared to my designs of these characters, the replacements would be completely different.

Also, I couldn't care less about the inclusion of my sprites. The only ones I'm particular is the two that belong to my character, as they are my design.
All the fix ups I did and that can stay, I'd be a bit much of a jerk if I removed them, they were of other peoples sprites, not my own.

I never stated that I actually didn't want to talk about it, from what I can recall, you never really replied to my request that my characters be taken down.

Why not just leave it? The most you are gonna get is a changed name/sprite which is unnecessary work on me.

I don't want to leave it, my characters have pretty much been mutilated.
Not to mention Gordon got an entirely new mug without anyone even telling me.
That edit was done by you, you've done quite a bit that can be deemed unnecessary.

This post has been edited by NicktMayCry™: Aug 18 2010, 01:53 AM

[Memento Mori]

Is that to say that if your original schematics of the characters' backstories were followed, you would have no objections?

Honest question, answer me here.

[NicktMayCry™]

Gordon was designed as a trained soldier, he eventually leaves the city and retreats to the lowlands and does small time jobs protecting towns and groups that hire him.
He is nice and approachable, and follows the rules. He accepts whatever comes to him and does what he can to settle things easily and quickly.

Roman is honorable, and smart. He was trained by August Mizer, a respectable gentleman, they both traveled their land together and studied the world. They both fought besides grand armies, and eventually, Roman lost his master. He became distant, but he still retained his respect and honor. He cared for no one, and pitied himself for his master's passing, but he cared less for himself, he fought so that others wouldn't have to.

The whole, making Gordon younger cause he was made to be Shon's friend, I was kinda ok with that.
The making Roman a back stabbing spy or whatever, without anyone even talking to me about it?
If someone actually got me on msn, and we talked about it, I'm plenty sure that we could have somehow worked it to match his character and personality, but as it stands, it doesn't really seem like it's working.
The scene where he and Ben come in and start continuously praising the two lords, ew, just no...


If I was granted more input into the characters, and if they were more like how they were designed, I indeed would have no objections.

[Geoffrey]

I don't want to leave it, my characters have pretty much been mutilated.
Not to mention Gordon got an entirely new mug without anyone even telling me.
That edit was done by you, you've done quite a bit that can be deemed unnecessary.

I probably should have phrased that better. But some things I thought were unnecessary, like Gordon, I wanted Kelik kicked but Blazer was adamant. Others I thought needed it, and certain things were more complicated and I'd prefer not to put in a lengthy explanation. I like Roman's design and would prefer to avoid it. If it does go I might have Blazer make another spriter do it.

When I did Gordon I did talk to you about it and you said "whatever". And I even showed it to you as I was working on it and you said you liked it. You probably just forgot about that. No big deal.

If you really want them removed that's your choice man. But I do know Blazer likely wont change anything unless you speak to him his way so just shoot him a PM. I hope the two of you can work this out.

And I'm sorry if I upset you in any way.

[Blazer]

http://www.feuniverse.net/forums/index.php...t=0&start=0

Only saying this for the record, but FB and Swordsalmon reserve the right to doctor backstories.

wait, do what O_O

FB and Swordsalmon have the right to edit your character's backstory to their liking if they need to for the game's story purposes.

fair enough

These quotes say that you didn't mind if we edited the backstory to fit the liking. After all we're making a hack and the characters were characters that people randomly made with random backstories (and funny enough, half the playable people are mercenaries, XD) so we needed some liberty. You even agreed.

I posted in the private mug topic, explaining myself several times, I then requested that things were done to prevent me from being capable of seeing your reply.

I explained myself too (responded) but for some reason you didn't want to respond to my reply... maybe you were trying to prevent some sort of arguement? Idk

The characters I've submitted aren't even the same as they originally were, Gordon is now some teenager, and Roman is some traiter back stabber person.

You gave us permission to edit. Also, the description I see and have always seen in Roman's first post was:

"Background/personality/synopsis
A lone traveler who has fallen backwards into a title in the mass mercenary group of (*eubans*),
now being ordered to assassinate members and followers of the growing rebel group of Siegfried."

The only difference is he teams up with Ben, but then ditches him soon after. Otherwise he is a mercenary, IS the Purgatory, and DOES became a traitor that hurts Siegfried's growing rebel army.

As for Gordon: http://www.feuniverse.net/forums/index.php...t=0&start=0

Background/personality/synopsis
will do later...

R-Button Info: A veteran fighter known for his sword skills.

blank, and a veteran fighter known for his sword skills... Gordon appears early game so I tried to accomodate by making him a more skilled fighter than Shon who Shon looks upto (granted minor characters don't have much dialog or roles, most of the time, so this is shown in the game's supports). He IS a veteran fighter of the army, and he can definitely handle himself.

While I'm at it, I made Roman and Gordon some of the best units Roman's the best myrmidon and Gordon's in contention with Nayr for best paladin, just like how Nayr starts off broken, because you guys were nice enough to help me with spriting.

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Now I could be a jerk and stop there and say I tried as best I could to implement your characters. But I was looking through the topic and noticed Roman had an updated backstory just now.

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Backstory:
Roman Mipeer was once a member of an ancient clan that was rebuilt and taken over by a rogue member, and was then bent on world domination and eventually it's destruction. Roman was convinced by an AWOL member to leave the clan, and then supported this member in bringing forth it's downfall, along with the death of the Rogue Member. Roman's reputation had spread afar as the 'Purgatory' of this clan, and upon his arrival in the land of (I forget what the fe7 continent, land, w.e) he was instantly sought upon by many of the local bands of mercenaries. Instinctively, he refused them all, until a leader of a group came along, he said his name was Eubans(I noticed the replacement is censored, so ner), he reminded Roman of his old teacher, August, so he decided to join the group, and has been working there ever since, earning his name bathed in the blood of his infinite targets, all of which he has executed perfectly, he now awaits his newest orders, the eradication of Siegfried's Rebels.

So, most everything about his past is not directly related to the plot. Meaning it'd come in supports and carp. Which is cool. The main points I see are 1) He's "The Purgatory" (check) 2) he became a mercenary, but only because of the leader, Eubans (the replacement is Captain/Commander Drake), 3) he has been working for Captain Drake since, gaining him and his mercenaries fame, and 4) he now has orders to help destroy the rebels.

Now I admit I added in a plot detail. Captain Drake gets taken hostage/captured by Etruria and so in order to free him, Roman and Ben infiltrate the rebel army, but Ben ends up not going through with the mission, so Roman becomes a solo-ist and does. Roman joins the group if Ben convinces him that Captain Drake won't be released by Etruria unless he is forced to be released. Roman then goes and kills the guy who was being an asshole

Now if THIS is what made a big problem. Then I am sorry. I'm not unwilling to change it even though I've already finished upto chapter 23.

I don't want to leave it, my characters have pretty much been mutilated.
Not to mention Gordon got an entirely new mug without anyone even telling me.
That edit was done by you, you've done quite a bit that can be deemed unnecessary.

Changes I made:

Gordon is maybe two years younger. Instead of looking like he's 22, he looks like he's 20, someone the 16 year old Shon can look up to.

I'm sorry if you were unaware of the changes to Gordon. I honestly thought that Nayr asked you since he already knew who you were and you said yes, do whatever. That is what I remember. I had no intention of upsetting you or anything. If you want us to think of a new design then fine, we will remove Gordon's portrait.

Gordon was designed as a trained soldier, he eventually leaves the city and retreats to the lowlands and does small time jobs protecting towns and groups that hire him.
He is nice and approachable, and follows the rules. He accepts whatever comes to him and does what he can to settle things easily and quickly.

This can pretty much apply. It's not directly plot-related but it can still be included in supports. He does wear armor so it makes sense he's a trained soldier. If I say lowlands = Sacae, that makes sense, because we meet him in Sacae. And, he has to make a living, s doing small time jobs to help the area is good. Being nice and approachable helps bridge the gap between the 4 years of Shon and him (assuming Gordon is 20). Following the rules makes him a good soldier to follow Siegfried. His willingness to join the newly formed rebellion shows he accepts whatever comes to him. :)

Roman is honorable, and smart. He was trained by August Mizer, a respectable gentleman, they both traveled their land together and studied the world. They both fought besides grand armies, and eventually, Roman lost his master. He became distant, but he still retained his respect and honor. He cared for no one, and pitied himself for his master's passing, but he cared less for himself, he fought so that others wouldn't have to.

Didn't know half of this stuff, but now that I do I can implement it. I definitely didn't make him a dumb person and the fact that he doesn't just ditch Captain Drake, who reminds him of August, makes him sort of honorable. Not to mention that he ditches Etruria because Ben makes him see that Etruria won't honor their promises, and if Roman is honorable, is it safe to assume that he doesn't like dishonorable people?

I like Roman's design and would prefer to avoid it. If it does go I might have Blazer make another spriter do it.

I like it a lot too. If Nickt and I can't come to an understanding even after we've discussed it, I might just put in a crappy splice of Karel or something.

When I did Gordon I did talk to you about it and you said "whatever". And I even showed it to you as I was working on it and you said you liked it. You probably just forgot about that. No big deal.

I knew I remembered you asking him. You never do a sprite without first knowing if its OK. And I wasn't sure about the one who made that, so IIRC I was like "nah I won't edit it" because I didn't want to go back and figure out who did it and contact them. But you figured it out, asked, got permission, and edited it a little, even though the design was already pretty good.

If you really want them removed that's your choice man. But I do know Blazer likely wont change anything unless you speak to him his way so just shoot him a PM. I hope the two of you can work this out.

And I'm sorry if I upset you in any way.

Mhm, agreed, although posting here is fine, except some moderator might go "FLAME WAR" or some stupid **** and then stop us from having a mature discussion about your sprites and characters. Also, I am sorry if I upset you in any way too. I am honestly trying to help you be satisfied with the implementation of your characters. It's a pain in the ***, but if I have to, I WILL trash those characters and either completely remove them from the game and make the game much less interesting, or replace them with generic characters just made to fill in roles in the plot. Like Leopold

EDIT:

Nickt and I worked out a solution. Issue has been resolved. ^_^

This post has been edited by Blazer: Aug 18 2010, 04:32 PM